Map Wars — Russians and Ukrainians Are Looking at Totally Different War Maps

Both are engaging in wishful thinking. Here are some good ones to follow

This is the frontline situation that most Ukrainians are looking at and trying to sell (by Liveuamap.com):

This is the frontline situation that many Russians are looking at and trying to believe (by Readovka):

Clearly, the two do not inhabit the same reality.

Also, both camps are engaging in wishful thinking. The reality is somewhere between the two pictures being offered.

For more reality-based cartography of the war I recommend ISW;

and Jomini of the West;

as well as Dragon First, South Front, and Geroman:

The first two are pro-Ukrainian and the last three are pro-Russian.

Ukraine War Map is also very decent (especially in presentation), but its conservatism now that video footage has become rarer means it is increasingly falling behind the real picture:

Schlottman’s (pro-Ukrainian) work isn’t bad either:

If you drill deeper ISW and Jomini of the West also have daily updates on the course of the fighting. There is obvious bias there in how the Russian approach to cities is spun, but the information on the military situation itself is good.

South Front is another place for such daily updates and their map is actually too conservative in places even though they are Russian.

Between Readovka and South Front always go with South Front. They have tons of experience in this, this isn’t their first rodeo.

Newcomers like Readovka are susceptible to wishful thinking, overexcitement and false claims, and Livemap.ua appears to be heavily self-censoring in order to keep the morale up. (Readovka might be engaging in overoptimism for similar patriotic reasons.)

Map by the very experienced South Front:

Very good work. Despite being Russian they actually underestimate how far the Russians have gotten in the northeast. (Albeit while leaving many pockets in their rear.)

18 Comments
  1. Hungary Guy says

    According to CIA Project Fakebook and Mockingbird Western Media:
    ukropisstan nazis are about to tak on Moscow & liberate China, North Korea within a week!

    1. Drapetomaniac says

      They will have a rude awakening when they realize hey have been observing a parallel universe.

      The completely useless one between their ears.

      1. Cyric Vigilius says

        About the time a Russian tank roles by your window…. WHAT??? I thought we were winning????

    2. Mr Reynard says

      Yupp.. If you can see now the Kremlin in Moscow, then you will see the Ukrainian Flag flying on top of the Kremlin ??
      Trust me, just read it in the Guardian & Joo York Slime ??

  2. Ilya G Poimandres says

    That livemap map hasn’t changed in a week. The site was good during the Syria war, just like Twitter was, now both are useless.

  3. ken says

    Apparently the Russian coverage and maps are closer to the truth as the US has blocked RT and Sputnik. It’s always truth that gets censored. Always!

    Me,,, I could care less. It’s all lies no matter what source as all sources get their stories from some government mockingbird shits.

    I laugh at CNN, MSNBC, FOX etc. They have a bunch of 6 year olds playing with their GI Joe sets running their script.

    The Western governments love it because it allows corporations to raise prices on everything claiming it’s the war jitters, not inflation.

    Anyone that believes any of this needs to run down and get their booster…

  4. Hostage (Raptar) Driver says

    The Russians have no reason to lie, they will liberate the Russian borderland.
    The so called Ukrainian government has every reason to lie.
    It is their only reason for existing, lie after lie after lie.

    1. Drapetomaniac says

      History is one damn lie after another.

      1. Hostage (Raptar) Driver says

        If that were true in essence we would know absolutely nothing. There could be no accumulated knowledge and we know that that isn’t true.

        1. IMHO says

          Actually it is true. The main events are littered with lies.

          1. Hostage (Raptar) Driver says

            Yes but that doesn’t mean everything is untrue.

        2. Drapetomaniac says

          Accumulated “knowledge” comes in basically two forms: that from emotional thinking and that from abstract logical thinking. The US is currently redoing its (recent) history but try redoing the law of gravity.

          BTW, what do you know about the sinking of the Lusitania or JFK’s assassination? Or the Cornholeya virus?

          1. Hostage (Raptar) Driver says

            I know that these events happed.
            So all history cannot be untrue.
            No one knows all the details except God.

            1. Hostage (Raptar) Driver says

              happened….

  5. Moneycircus says

    #Ukraine is tragic but sacrificed to manipulate you. War is #satire.

    We are being played as the couldron is fed.

    Truth is the first casualty of war but it has a way of sneaking up on you. Only so much #war can be hidden. Motives are revealed by action.

    #Bankers were on both sides of all major conflicts of the 20th century. What makes you think this one’s different? #Russia.

    https://moneycircus.substack.com/p/when-the-satirists-take-charge

    1. Juha says

      Yes wake up people in east and west. We have only one enemy.. the super rich globalist elite and their puppets

      1. Drapetomaniac says

        That one enemy is the wiring in a person’s head that makes them think that government is needed when the only possibile reason for needing it is that those people ‘over there’ have one.

        A Mexican firing squad for mankind. Duh

  6. Cyric Vigilius says

    Southfront provides the best coverage by far. Western media is totally useless to get an accurate appraisal and Ukrainian reporting might as well becoming from the Disney Network so divorced from reality it is.

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