War? Don’t Do It

You can bring back a lot, but not blown-up children

Russia has delivered an ultimatum to the Empire. If it does not receive a satisfactory response what will the Russian “or else” be? I am sympathetic to the view of boomer commentators (Doctorow, Armstrong, Helmer) that it will not be an invasion of Ukraine but something entirely else. I am sympathetic because I hope they are right. Trouble is when I read their guesses what that something else might be (except Helmer’s who refuses to speculate) it all seems rather underwhelming. All this circus only to station Russian troops in Venezuela or park a missile frigate off the coast of Washington, DC…it just isn’t the sort of stuff that would mean a great deal to Russia. But what does mean a lot to Russia?

Russia has a policy of no-first-use on nuclear weapons, but there is one caveat. If subject to a conventional attack of such ferocity that it should be indistinguishable from a nuclear strike then Russia says it’s atom-splitting time. What does it mean for a conventional attack to be the equivalent of a nuclear one? In Russian historiography the damage the Soviet Union suffered in WW2 (25 million war dead, 60 million people and 40% of industry lost to occupation) is often likened to the equivalent of a nuclear strike. In other words, should there be another Operation Barbarossa Russian atomic forces will not rest. Barbarossa famously advanced to roughly the present-day Russian-Ukrainian border reaching cities such as Kharkov and Rostov.

Might there be another thing that to Russia would be the equivalent of getting hit by a nuclear strike? According to Vladimir Putin yes, there is. In his last year’s article on Ukraine Putin writes that historic Russian lands settled by people who are Rus’ being forged into “an anti-Russia” is the equivalent of an WMD attack on Russia:

It would not be an exaggeration to say that the path of forced assimilation, the formation of an ethnically pure Ukrainian state, aggressive towards Russia, is comparable in its consequences to the use of weapons of mass destruction against us.

Putin argues that if one branch of the Rus people, primarily perhaps due to Soviet-era nation-building, developed a separate non-Russian identity and nation-state that this is a reality that Russia can, and must, live with. But when that state is rabidly anti-Russian that this is crossing a red line:

All the subterfuges associated with the anti-Russia project are clear to us. And we will never allow our historical territories and people close to us living there to be used against Russia. And to those who will undertake such an attempt, I would like to say that this way they will destroy their own country.

Having on its former lands a state composed of its own people who are looking out for their best interest is one thing, but having an entity driven solely by anti-Russianism is entirely another:

Today, the ”right“ patriot of Ukraine is only the one who hates Russia. Moreover, the entire Ukrainian statehood, as we understand it, is proposed to be further built exclusively on this idea. Hate and anger, as world history has repeatedly proved this, are a very shaky foundation for sovereignty, fraught with many serious risks and dire consequences.

The very act of anti-Russia prioritizing reflexive anti-Russianism even over Ukrainian national interests is what convinces Putin it is ultimately illegitimate and possibly “a tool in someone else’s hands”:

Russia is open to dialogue with Ukraine and ready to discuss the most complex issues. But it is important for us to understand that our partner is defending its national interests but not serving someone else’s, and is not a tool in someone else’s hands to fight against us.

No doubt having 50 million of your countrymen with shared ancestry and ethnicity spin out into a separate nation, and then having that nation become increasingly defined by antagonism against you is a bitter pill to swallow. Especially if the separation comes about as a result of top-down policies in the aftermath of a Communist coup. It is also a state of affairs that few powers with the means to challenge it would not seek to rectify. (Lincoln’s invasion of the South comes to mind.)

I do find that a Russian invasion of Ukraine would be totally out of character for what Putin’s Russia has been up until now. But I also remember that Putin has moved the bounds of what was possible for Russia before. Both the 2014 takeover of Crimea and the 2015 expedition to Syria were unthinkable for Russia as it had been until then. Russia in the past twenty years has been capable of some evolution, particularly in the international arena. Putin’s very article on Ukraine would have been entirely unthinkable 20 years prior. It now stands as proof that this old centrist statist has — under the pressure of external forces and under the influence of internal ones — gradually and after much resistance assimilated a smidgeon of Russian nationalism.

I don’t know if Russia is going to march into Ukraine. I certainly don’t know how that is supposed to fix Putin’s problem of Ukraine being “anti-Russia”. Isn’t a war between the two only going to deepen animosities and provide Ukrainian nationalists with more fodder? Try as they might at least until now it has been very difficult for Ukrainian nationalists to find historical examples of Ukrainians and Russians spilling each other’s blood.

Putin lays the blame for Ukraine’s anti-Russianism at the feet of “Western authors”:

The Western authors of the anti-Russia project set up the Ukrainian political system in such a way that presidents, members of parliament and ministers would change but the attitude of separation from and enmity with Russia would remain. Reaching peace was the main election slogan of the incumbent president. He came to power with this. The promises turned out to be lies. Nothing has changed. And in some ways the situation in Ukraine and around Donbas has even degenerated.

But is that really so? Critics may say that Putin is at least as responsible for the dominance of anti-Russians in Kiev as any Westerner. Putin certainly played his part in events that removed 6 million Russian speakers in Donbass and Crimea from Ukrainian voter rolls. Moreover, the Russian-aided rebuff of Kiev’s attempted takeover of rebel Donbass by military means provided the nationalists with the much-needed semblance of a Russian-Ukrainian war. One of the critiques against Putin is precisely that in 2014 he helped deal near maximum damage to Ukrainian-Russian friendship at the popular level while getting Russia nothing but the 2-million Crimea in return. There were those who proposed that since Ukraine would henceforth be lost to anti-Russianism anyway he may as well have grabbed the entire Russian-speaking (and Russia-friendly) half.

In reality, it is neither Westerners nor Putin who are primarily responsible for the hold of “anti-Russians” over Kiev. As Putin says, twice now (with Poroshenko and especially with Zelensky) the voters have rallied behind a negotiated-settlement candidate only for the latter to turn into a hawk once in power. The cause is ultimately found in the nature of fractured systems such as democracy. Ukraine has multiple centers of power and additionally the notionally top leader is actually a weak one because his position is one of the least secure. Pursuing peace which takes a lot of investment outright for a very distant payoff isn’t the optimal strategy for a leader who is besieged from all sides and just trying to survive into the next month. A cheap pro-war policy that kicks the can down the road and pays minor but instant dividends is much better. Especially for the kind of room-reading empty suits that are likely to rise to the top in a modern electoral system.

Of course, one reason Putin didn’t order the military to occupy entire Russia-friendly Ukraine in 2014 are Moscow’s precious foreign exchange reserves. Moscow wants a Ukraine that is economically integrated with Russia and even plugged into its defense industry, but it definitely doesn’t want to be on the hook for the material condition of “our historical territories and people close to us”. We have seen as much in Donbass. While there has been significant investment into incorporated Crimea (to say nothing of Chechnya), the same hasn’t been the case for Donbass which today is economically worse off than it was in 2014 and exists in such an economic ghetto that the export of 1500 kilograms of sausage to Russia “bypassing Ukraine” is treated as newsworthy. (Why did it take eight years??) This comes on top of Russia having presided over the gradual killing off of all of its interesting (but independent-minded) leaders and their replacement by “economically-motivated” yes-men. If Moscow has a similarly progressive vision for Left-Bank Ukraine then I imagine a considerable portion of its residents would ask her to not bother liberating them. The money men around Putin; the Kudrins, the Chubaises, and the Grefs can not be counted on to release the sort of monies that reinvigorating Eastern Ukraine would take. (What they can be counted on is to mRNA-treat its people and cattle tag them.)

The final problem is that while rearranging borders in a coloring book is a blast, this isn’t a video game. The Russian military is an artillery-firepower army. It is incredibly lethal. The takeover of Southern and Easern Ukraine doesn’t happen without tens of thousands of deaths. Mostly Ukrainian. But didn’t Putin just explain that Ukrainians are Russians too? Well, I prefer my Malorussians deluded (and even anti-Russian) over dead.

I think a Russian offensive into Ukraine is a possibility (say 20%). I don’t think we should be eager for it.

Putin has already demonstrated to Ukraine that push comes to shove all of its Western “well-wishers” will abandon Kiev to its fight. Let’s hope he finds that sufficient.

Take it from someone who knows a little about fratricidal war: You don’t want one.

  1. Martillo says

    Anglozionazi Natostan slash Putin slash Satan Klaws Slob orchestrated theater to keep ALL the chikkens (on all sides of the borders) cooped and crapping and get them ALL death squirted with their NWO covaid$ clot shot. There will be no war in Ukropland. Donbas and Donetsk is already Russian (oligarch) real estate…again.

    We are all being played by Ras and Co.

  2. TZVI says

    Peace would be ideal. But is such an ideal achievable under sanctions and threats? It takes 2 sides to make peace.

    1. Jerry Hood says

      With zioNazi jews only one apply: fire and hell= Isrealhell…

  3. Raptar Driver says

    So the 2014 coup (which was extremely blatant) wasn’t enough to convince Putin?
    Sorry but he waited too long, he should have done it then.
    Now it’s gonna be a bloody mess, then it would have been quick and clean.
    In my opinion he is no chess player, maybe Chinese checkers?

    1. Mychal says

      No he did not. You are not much of a strategist. Do you want to fight two wars at the same time? Waited to long, thank God you are not in charge thousands would die with your thinking. Bravo my friend!

  4. Vlax says

    Ti si stvarno obično zapadnjacko govno i totalni ruski anti-empire…. Ti i tvoj drugar Slavsquat… Samo zato što ste izbačeni sa RT. Ne Zaslužuješ onih 1500 dolara što tražiš… Sramoto jedna…. Sramota sto se zoveš Marko I prezivaš Marjanović…..

    1. Field Empty says

      Dobro te maznula vakcina https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhpwD477pVM

      Imas sejkera pa drkaj. Tu smo za mir.

      1. Vlax says

        Hvala ti na linku (volim muziku).
        Samo potvrđuješ ono što znam o tebi. A o drkanju…. Ja još mogu, a ti??? Prestani da sebe smatraš kao nekog vrhunskog analitičara i razmisli još jednom da li tvoj sajt zaslužuje naziv anti-empire. Ko je danas hegemon??? Ko danas jebe (kad smo kod drkanja) i mlati sve što stigne… Ako pametno odgovoriš na ova pitanja…. Znaš o čemu pričam. Ima još nade za tebe (link je svedok… Hvala). O pameti se i pomognu one koje se bore za pravedniji svet.

        1. Jerry Hood says

          Ubi źida…

  5. GMC says

    I think we need to look at another problem. The West just told President Putin that he and all the leaders of Russia will be sanctioned. Wrong f….n thing to say to a man that might be totally tired of the BS and wants to stop it. He has the army to do what needs to be done, and maybe In his mind and pretty much the military mindset the talkin is over. How he deals with this is anybodies guess – maybe he’ll bluff in order to hope someone in Ukraine wakes up – maybe he’s just priming his troops so they are familiar with what needs to be done in the near future. Recon works.

    I would imagine that he would bring in S-400s and other weapons in Belarus since Estonia just Ok’d their airports for Nato and US military use – 100 million bucks talks. Everyone seems to be on board in East Europe including Hungary and their 2 Nato bases so he can’t run into Ukraine without solving those foreseen problems when/if they arise. Just getting set up , should get some Brussels attention. Thanks A E

  6. ken says

    War! What’s it good for? Absolutely nothing.

    Just more democide by our thoughtful ‘leaders’


    1. Helga Weber says

      It is good for the military industrial complex, and they are in charge in the US

    2. Eddy says

      On the contrary, war is excellent to clear the books of heavy debts and start again from scratch. Hopefully with more new lands in possession.

  7. ken says

    Marco,,, I am having to do the pictures every post,,, have we went back to that?

    Or is it due to links?

    1. GMC says

      Ken, Are yours in Russian ?

  8. Reginald Martin says

    Every one should leave them alone you can’t violate their country and think no blowback from them we have a problem here with seditious fools calling for a civil war in this country

  9. Jerry Hood says

    Trolls here below: apocalypse of the world is near, from above= repolarisation of the world with global earthquakes and collapsed Earth magnetic field, burning the Earth by cosmic and solar rays! So, the satanic snake zionazi jews will also start a nuclear war! Trolls, it is dual event,as above, so below! What do you think why they built all their bunkers-shelters underground??? In 2025 we will be all f…d up!!!

  10. Gerald says

    despite all the rabble rousing the Russians are trying to do this without a war but they ARE prepared, the US isn’t.

  11. Mychal says

    He is not going in unless the ukies do something stupid. He does not want Ukraine. Only be friends like before the West’s hull. If he truly wanted to go into Ukraine it would happened already. The anericans are liars cheats and thieves. Why do these other leaders follow these evil bastards?

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