State Department’s Dream of Fighting Russia to the Last Turk Turns to Ashes in Moscow

A greater Russian-Turkish clash would have been a godsend for the Empire

The biggest loser of the Syria ceasefire agreed by Erdogan and Putin in Moscow Thursday has to be the hands-down most warlike and the most psychotic of all US government institutions — that fortress of bloodthirsty chickenhawk apparatchiks that is the State Department.

But hey let’s not be too harsh on them, at least this time the Russian-Turkish war they were hoping for would have objectively been great for the Empire if potentially ruinous for the planet.

First of all, if Erdogan waded deeper into Syria and deeper into conflict with Russia as they were encouraging him to do he would become much more reliant on US support. He would have to abandon his independent, disruptive style and turn into a Tony Blair.

The second benefit for the Empire would have been a weakened Russia. Sure enough in a Russian-Turkish clash of arms Russia with its bigger military establishment and a higher level of military technology would be poised to ultimately come on top. But not without costs and not without setbacks.

To begin with, for Russia Syria is on the other side of Turkey. Secondly, you can bet if the situation escalated the West — even without entering the war directly — would have found various ways to put its thumb on the scale for Turkey.

Even if Moscow prevailed in the end, it would have not happened without shocks and embarrassments along the way for Empire’s apparatchiks to cheer, and not without further Russian-Western economic decoupling, and a protracted Russian-Turkish cold war that followed.

With a great deal of Russian resources, attention and energies tied up in a cold war with an 80 million Turkey (Russia has 145 million) that would have left Russia with that much less for its other focuses abroad. With a determined enemy on its southern flank retrenchment might have looked the better option than further frustrating the Empire in Venezuela, Iran or North Korea.

To the extent that Moscow sometimes offers partial relief from and some limited resistance to the worst excesses of the Empire, the world would have been worse off.

Would have been great for the Imperial capital though. A freer hand in many regions of the world, an obedient Turkey, and in all likelihood an EU with fewer Russian economic ties and more mobilized against it.

Luckily for Moscow Erdogan wants to maintain a degree of independence from the US-EU and he can’t do that if he’s in a protracted conflict with Russia. Similarly, Putin doesn’t want to have to capitulate to the West, and it helps if Turkey isn’t a bitter enemy.

The West does have a long history of fighting Russia by using Turkey. That this meant backing Islamist terror (back then against Christians in the Balkans, and Eastern Anatolia, now in Syria) was not a problem then and is not a problem now.

Good on Putin, Shoigu and Lavrov for avoiding a repeat of 1853 or 1878.

Allowing Western powers to fight you to the last Turk, or having to deal with Turkey and the West as a block rather than one-on-one is never a good thing for Russia — or for those Russia sometimes seeks to aid and protect.

  1. cechas vodobenikov says

    “the US is the most warlike nation in the history of mankind”. Jimmy Carter (a nation of cowards that loses nearly all its wars)
    “amerikans have always been genocidal, enjoying killing from afar” Philip Slater
    Slater attributed misadventures in Vietnam and Iraq— both fully supported by 80% of the amerikan people, to a particular culture, and the psychology of that culture.
    obviously Durkheim was correct: “the state always reflects the values and desires of its people”

    1. itchyvet says

      THAT is why I say, “there are no INNOCENT Americans” in any of this.

  2. David Chu says

    That title is worth its words in gold: “[Yankee] Dream of Fighting Russia to the Last Turk Turns to Ashes in Moscow!

    The Russians are very similar to the Germans of WW2 in that they are a bit too honest and forthright when dealing with their “partners”, except they (the Russians) learn very quickly how to deal with the lying and cheating snakes (USA/UK/NATO) and the bumbling fools of geopolitics (Turkey).

    1. Jean-marie Hamel says

      But Russia is Working for PEACE, as we can see in Venezuela, and Syria, they do not Have To, but they Show More HUMANITY than EVIL WAR CRIMINAL US !!

      1. disqus_3BrONUAJno says

        They aren’t working for peace, they aren’t working for war. They have assumed a doomsday position with their nuclear arsenal that could be triggered by any kind of first strike by anyone, which they would target on the aggressor.

  3. Mikhail Garchenko says
  4. Michael says

    I hope the ceasefire lasts and Russia is able to form that alliance she wanted with Iran and Turkey. When that alliance happens Turkey will leave NATO.

    1. RedBaron9495 says

      Turkey have too many pro-USA Atlanticists to ever break their NATO ties.
      Erdogan can’t wipe them all out.

      1. Michael says

        They do not need to do anything. Trump is pushing Turkey away from NATO and into the arms of Russia. The lucrative offers from China are too good to turn down. America offers sanctions.

        1. RedBaron9495 says

          I hope you are right….I don;t like that Turks are protect Islamic terrorist groups inside Idlib province. if it weren’t for the Turks….the Syrian Army would have wrapped this up already.

          1. Rowdy-Yates says

            America by far is the biggest problem in the Middle East. Till America gets out these problems will manifest in countless ways.

  5. nick1111 says

    Pompeo is a bloody war criminal and so is Trump

  6. jm74 says

    Putin needs to remember that Erdogan lacks credibility, anything he says or signs unfortunately doesn’t conform with truth, facts veracity.

  7. Ray Douglas says

    I would humble ask anyone interested in the subject to read John Helmer on A very good analysis.

  8. thomas malthaus says

    It’s easy to argue the US is granting Turkey with more or less the same proxy status it has ascribed to ISIS and Al Qaeda.

    We can’t have American boys coming home in body bags for oil’s sake.

    Once all the region’s prospective rebels and displaced migrants have been forcibly crowded into Europe, little to no domestic resistance will exist to thwart the Zionist-US Middle East and North Africa expansionist goals.

  9. Mikhail Garchenko says

    …just a bunch of stooges…
    …”friend recep” got his sound slap in his ugly face, after all..! 😀

  10. Jihadi Colin says

    “…the world would have been better worse off…”


  11. Canosin says

    I don’t trust these Turkish AKP goatfuckers…..never will…..there are quite a number of great Turkish folks….but too small and too weak for a change…..the distorted history teachings of the “greatness of Turkish ness” on all levels of the Turkish society has created the ultra nationalist/fascist scumbags all over the country (majority of the Turkish population, sadly)…..Erdogan is a master in feeding these distorted sick sentiments…..

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