‘Science-Based’ Comrade Alabama: State Kidnappings Are Awesome, All Deaths Are Covid Deaths

Moon of Alabama tries to claim lockdown deaths for Covid-19

Comrade Mao of Alabama continues on his crusade to have us all locked up as tightly as possible and for as long as possible by the powers that be (all for our own good of course).

In his recent-most piece he proudly recreates an exchange in which he explained to horrified Off Guardian that yes he was indeed in favor of “breaking the family chain” as he calls it (strictly for epidemics-countering purposes of course):

He went on to stake out a familiar position that Covid is the plague and present lockdowns are good and must be continued lest we die by the millions. Let’s take a closer look at his points one by one.

This graphic though from the British Office of National Statistics does not look like a flu outbreak:

The few high blue dots around December/January time frame show exceptionally bad flu seasons like the London flu of 1972. Similar charts from other countries show the same effect for current covid-19 outbreaks. Without control measures like the current lock-downs the red line would certainly go through the roof.

This spike in excess deaths is definitely nearly unprecedented. But it is happening during the spread of a disease that is not at all unprecedented, as well as during a media and government and popular reaction to it that absolutely are unprecedented.

The jury is still out on the question if these excess deaths are due to the rather unremarkable disease, or the totally unprecedented, never before seen measures supposed to fight it and alleviate anxieties of the public and of the politicians and of their side effects.

So far the latter possibility has more going for it as one of the biggest drivers of excess deaths seem to be heart attacks precisely at the moment when the number of those seeking help for a cardiac event in hospitals — which are quite good at providing such aid but which are now seen as something akin to plague-infested death traps — has nearly halved.

In fact, non-lockdown Sweden has had about the same number of confirmed Covid-positive deaths per capita as the UK, but has not recorded an equally pronounced spike in total excess deaths:

This may indicate it is not so much Covid driving excess deaths as the different answers to it.

The covid-19 disease the novel coronavirus causes is not a “flu”. We largely do have ‘herd immunity’ against the flu. But this is a new virus causing a new disease. Nearly nobody is yet immune against it. It works in ways we are still just beginning to understand and there is no established therapy.

Being novel is not the exclusive domain of the “novel coronavirus”. Every year the virus mix causing the “influenza-like illness” outbreak is slightly different, with new strains of influenza and pneumonia viruses, as well as of new coronaviruses coming into existence all the time. This is why influenza vaccines are updated all the time and why someone who gets a flu shot can still fall ill with flu.

No, it’s not possible to say with certainty that nobody is yet immune to it. We don’t know what the susceptibility rate is and if it really is 100%. It is entirely possible that those who have antibodies for some of the other coronaviruses have partial or full immunity. We simply don’t know.

It is entirely possible, even likely perhaps, that we started out with less immunity to SARS-Cov-2 than would be the case for a new flu virus, but it is not a matter of 0 and 1, but of degrees.

If we let this epidemic run wild without any control measures the death toll will be exceptionally high. The death per infection rate in Germany is currently estimated to be 0.53% (via Christian Drosten). It may be higher in other countries. That looks like a small number but remember that nearly no one has yet acquired immunity. It would probably take a year for the epidemic to run through a whole country.

It is estimated at 0.53% by some and considerably lower by others. But that is not even the point. Question is 0.53% for whom? It goes all the way up to 15% for frail inhabitants of nursing homes and all the way down into insignificance for the under 50 cohort. Why should those who are no more at threat from Covid than they are by commuting to work or by their work, be locked up? Is it because they could still spread the infection to the older cohorts? In that case you separate the vulnerable cohort from the essentially invulnerable cohorts, but you don’t freeze civilization in its tracks.

Great Britain, with a population of some 60 million, would be theoretically looking at 300.000 excess death within one year. But the health care system would completely break down and thereby vastly increase the total death toll as there would be no care for most of the critical covid-19 patients and no beds for the usual other cases. That may already happen as Britain is now estimated to already have 41,000 excess death from the current epidemic.

Nonsensense. There is no sign whatsoever that the 41,000 excess deaths in Britain are the result of any sort of break down of the health care system because there is no sign of any such breakdown. In fact, hospitals have never been emptier or had less work and there is still 22 percent of ICU capacity spare which is more than is often the case.

The vast number of those excess deaths is a direct consequence not of the virus but of the lockdown, primarily of the fear of hospitals it has helped reinforce.

Current estimates say that 2 to 3% of the population have so far developed anti-bodies against the virus. They likely give some immunity but we do not know how long that will hold. Should this epidemic have weather dependent waves the first one will likely end during the summer. Model calculations show that only some 6-7% of the population would by then have acquired immunity.

Some estimates are 2 to 3%. Other estimates depending on the geographic location are higher by an order of magnitude. Two separate estimates figure one-third of Stockholmers have by now developed immunity or will have by May 1.

We don’t know how far along the way that is because we don’t know what the susceptibility rate we started with is.

Also, there is initial data indicating that some young people in particular are able to fight off the infection without even developing specialized antibodies, so true immunity could be even higher than antibodies tests will indicate.

It is entirely possible that non-lockdown countries, in particular, are by now some distance on their way toward herd immunity.

— UPDATE — Now Cuomo is saying that 21% of those tested in NYC at grocery stores and so on have antibodies.

A second wave will then come during the winter. It will be worse as it will start everywhere at the same time and will come on top of the yearly flu season. We will then likely again need some harsh control measure like temporary lock-downs and case quarantains.

Nonsense. A second wave would not come on top of the flu season because you only have so many people who are at a significant risk of dying should they contract a respiratory infection of this sort. If these are taken over the edge by one disease they are no longer available to be pushed off the ledge by another.

  1. Nassim7 says

    Moon of Alabama has confirmed himself to be a piece of shit. He is just another Zionist under the cover. I will never visit that site again.

  2. Jozo Magoc says

    The corrupted and degenerated Westeners are moaning here! You deserve what you got there!

  3. itchyvet says

    Whilst your busy putting the boot into Moon Of Alabama and his support of Lock Down, specificly the separation of family members, you would do well to consider that Australia does EXACTLY THE SAME THING ! Parents are NOT allowed to see their offspring when they become Ill with this virus, even if they are dying. They are not allowed to visit their child whilst they are still alive. Same goes for husbands or wives, daughters whatever.
    So pray tell, what is the difference of that policy and what your claiming is so devastating that Moon is supporting ???????????

  4. mariomilano says

    Wonder how much MOA was paid to peddle coronahoax bullshit…..I put MOA and rense in the same category….they are full of shit and lies

  5. Natural_Texan says

    And the Deputy Attorney General of the USSA wants to identify those people who refuse these unconstitutional orders as TERRORISTS.

  6. glib1 says

    we get it, Marko. MoA is a disgrace. But things other than covid are happening. Have you seen the gyrations of oil markets?

  7. Grand Nagus Zek says

    MoA really is an authoritarian idiot

    his bookmark is now in the trash. Get enough of this crap from the MSM and every time i open youtube – dont need it on altnews too

    1. Genghis Gobi says

      When did Marko even mention the systematic propagandising against China that the US Empire, which he is supposed to be opposing, is engaged in? Both Moon of Alabama and Off Guardian, who are on *opposite sides* on the question of COVID-19, have gone into that in detail. If given an either/or choice I would dump Marko first without a second thought.

  8. Genghis Gobi says

    Moon of Alabama, whose views on COVID-19 I do not agree with, is responding to you in a mature manner. You, whose views I am in rough accordance with, are acting like a spoilt little brat. Care to wonder whom people who have not read either of you before will find more credible?

  9. hvaiallverden says

    Yeah, we have all been feed bullshit, but some people/sites stil are in the wilderness, and when they use the MSM and/or official sites as the mantra of truth, fact and shit like that, they are loosing me, when NYT is suddenly credible, then I question their credibility, but what I really find to be disturbing is their inability to use comon sense, when you already know, like in the UssA, that the stats are indeed cocked, the CONvid deaths are way out of line since the death defentitons, when it comes to death sertificates is crystal clear, they label everything as Corona deaths, and dont differentiate at all, and then we have an test regime that is like farting in the wind, and is more or less, proven to be just crap, go to Jon Rappaports site and read, the test system used is so bad its baffling that they even use it, since the false negative/posetive is so high its wurthless, period, and the numbers are again used in an way that is even worse that I could imagine, when they say that suddenly hundreds of thousands are tested positive, and yet the numbers whom is sevearly impackted is stil low, and then we get numbers that are even lesser than the average flu, yeah, Sweden whom is open, have numbers belowe 1%, and thats not the horror storys we are spoon feed thru our MSM.
    They are cocking the books, and lie, fake and invents the entire epidemic, and why some sites are stil mumbling about we are all going to die beats me, I dont even bother to speculate, but its a pitty they dont want to debate the issue witch is not what they claim it is.

    I know about the MSM and also some of the Alt. nets, since I was one of the first to ripp the insane nonsense we got regarding the so called gass attack in Syria, because they pimped an story with an gass witch they had no idea of how it worked,(makes me wounder what kind of scumbags are they really) and what to expect when they used that tyoe of gass, while I used just second when I watched the videos that the MSM used as prof and the OPCW based their inital story on, and lo and behold, some days later they changed it to Chlorine, while initialy it was Sarin, and Sarin is much, much worse than Chlorin. etc, etc, etc.
    The rest is history.


    1. anon says

      Do your own study.
      For a given hotspot, count the obituary’s for the past several weeks and chart.
      Please post your results.
      Do you think a large portion of the obits are fake?

  10. nick1111 says

    Sick bastards

  11. Per says

    Did you see this Hr Marjanović?
    “TH Backs Global Governments’ Lockdowns l Cambridge Union”
    I just watched it and it was quite interesting, Peter Hitchens and other “non panicky” folks got to voice their opinions for once.
    Edit:🤣 i forgot it was here on anti-empire i got the link in the first place, SORRY!

  12. C D says

    He may be bought by the government or he may be very old and terrified, as well in his condition is no more interested of Swedish blondes and learning what is going on in Sweden. Forget about Belarus.

  13. ke4ram says

    ‘b’ apparently is one of the Corona Cattle that has either bought the government bs or the government bought him.

    1. Per says

      he might be pressured to, let us not jump to conclusions.
      remember we are dealing with pure evil, the same “men/women” that threatened icj employees families if they dared to seek justice against the imperial terrorist homeland and its armed forces.
      i am not defending MoA`s crapola cover of this virus, we do not know his earlier jobs or history.. “They” might have leverage against him or as mentioned above pressure him or his fam..

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