China’s Cops Do Not Carry Guns and Kill 100x Fewer People Than US Cops — 12 vs 1200

"They are just now issuing a few guns to police. It is quite controversial and publicly discussed"

I was browsing world incarceration and police kill rates when I put out this tweet:

It definitely struck a nerve with some folks and I got a little push-back. If you adjust the numbers by population, China has about 4 times more people. It doesn’t look good for the US.

The US prison population is 2.2 million. We also have about 5 million people under some type of probation or parole at any one time. Police in the US kill around 1000 citizens annually. 1200 in 2015 alone.

China officially incarcerates 1.6 million individuals, but that number is certainly under-counted and is probably over 2 million. The highest incarceration estimate in China (unsubstantiated) I found was 4 million. That includes all types of political prisoners, pre-trial detentions, forced labor camps, etc.

Yes, it is unknown how many people China executes a year. Annual estimates for the last few years are between 5,000 (2010) and 2,400 (2015.)  For comparison, the US executed 35 people in 2014. That kind of evens out the killed by police rate. Hey, at least China gives them some kind of “Due Process” before putting them in front of a firing squad.

That is still HALF of our rate of incarceration in the US. Adjusted for population, China would have to incarcerate 8.8 million, and kill 4,800 just to EQUAL the US rate.

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Frankly, I think the 12 killed people by China’s police in 2014 is accurate and may be better documented behind the Bamboo Curtain than imagined.

In 2015, that number went up to about 50 people killed by police. They killed 28 of those people at one time in an “anti-terrorist” operation.

China has 1.7 million cops and have been unarmed for decades (so is the general public, so there’s that). They are just now issuing a few guns to police. It is quite controversial and publicly discussed.

This AP story is informative: Shootings rise after China gives its police guns By DIDI TANG

The incidents — which have generated widespread media coverage and social media buzz — come after authorities decided in April to issue guns to patrolling officers to better protect the public and improve police response to crime and attacks.

The trigger seems to have been a brazen attack by a group of assailants who stabbed 29 people to death and wounded 140 others in train station in the southern province of Yunnan. Officials blamed the attack on extremists from the western Xinjiang region.

For decades, Chinese police were unarmed because the country has very little gun violence and firearms are hard to obtain. The change leaves Britain, Norway and New Zealand among developed countries where patrolling police officers generally aren’t armed.

“Broadening the right (to carry guns) to more police officers could bring more harm than good if they do not follow the laws,” said Liu Zhirong, an independent scholar who was once a researcher at an elite Chinese military police academy. “Police must learn to minimize use of force.”

The Public Security Ministry has the daunting task of training hundreds of thousands of local police on how to handle a deadly weapon in the line of duty. The Chinese police force is 1.7 million strong, and it isn’t clear how many will be armed. In Shanghai, about 1,000 of its 40,000 police began carrying standard-issue revolvers during routine patrols in April.

Experts worry that the training will focus too much on technical aspects, such as firing accuracy, and not enough on psychological and legal aspects, such as when to draw the gun and how to quickly size up chaotic situations.

“I even wonder if some police officers have ever seen a gun,” said Hong Daode, a professor of criminal law at China University of Political Science and Law. “We are basically starting from zero.”

Before they can take aim at a suspect, police are required by law to identify themselves, issue verbal warnings and shoot into the air. If they do fire at a person, they are supposed to aim for non-vital body parts.

Source: The Libertarian Institute

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Philip Bracq
Philip Bracq
4 years ago

I never saw a cop with guns in China. China is civilized while US is an abject dump of violence and corruption

Marko Marjanović
4 years ago
Reply to  Philip Bracq

There are numerous horror stories involving American cops indeed.

disqus_3BrONUAJno
disqus_3BrONUAJno
9 months ago

Most of those stories are a result of giving them any immunity the man on the street doesn’t have.

disqus_3BrONUAJno
disqus_3BrONUAJno
9 months ago
Reply to  Philip Bracq

They may be like London’s Bobbies, who prefer to carry their guns concealed, since they really don’t like having to carry them at all.

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1 year ago

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Curmudgeon_49
Curmudgeon_49
9 months ago

The UK cops didn’t carry guns either – until mass immigration and Maggie Thatcher changed the character of the country.

I was told, in the early 70s, that there was an unspoken “deal” with the Break and Enter/Snatch and Run (Black Market) criminals where they would provide information on violent gun crime while the police did not strongly pursue their petty crime. The petty crime taken over by Pakistanis and all that stopped.

Yul bolsun
Yul bolsun
9 months ago

The communist Chinese have killed 50-60mill. They now operate under a social credit score. Anyone not towing the communist party line is taking to “ fun camps” for re-education. The ones that fail, disappear. If you think China’s ways are the answer, you obviously miss-read the question

cechas vodobenikov
cechas vodobenikov
9 months ago
Reply to  Yul bolsun

racist drivel—fully refuted by the UN–and only propounded by racist anglophone fascist orgs like human rights watch and amnesty international

Undecider
Undecider
9 months ago

Chinese police don’t need firearms because the people will not attack them. These is a result of the people living in absolute fear and having a mindset of subservience. If the people (or person) attack any representative of the government, they know they’ll be hauled off and possibly disappeared.

In America, the people have the ability to fight back. Both at the street level and in the courts.

This article is comparing apples to oranges.

A more interesting comparison would be how many each government kills per year.

Mychal Arnold
Mychal Arnold
9 months ago
Reply to  Undecider

americans win look at their wars over 30 million killed and counting!

Mychal Arnold
Mychal Arnold
9 months ago
Reply to  Undecider

There are other countries who do not arm their police what about them, Genius? You must be a common core graduate!

rightiswrong rightiswrong
rightiswrong rightiswrong
9 months ago
Reply to  Undecider

The USA has killed off 75 to 100 million people since WW2.

Mostly by bombing, then their barbaric troops going on killing sprees, and then sanctions.
Not since Hitler has the world seen such violence from one state.

Canosin
Canosin
9 months ago
Reply to  Undecider

the village idiot has barked again……stfu

Oli Tobias E
Oli Tobias E
9 months ago
Reply to  Undecider

false, the Police in China knows its limits….https://observers.france24.com/en/20140421-residents-chinese-city-stage-brutal-backlash-against-%E2%80%98chengguan%E2%80%99-police-unit 5 police officers got beaten to death by locals as they have beaten a local there to death…..totally unjustified……so the people demanded justice and took it in their hands….

disqus_3BrONUAJno
disqus_3BrONUAJno
9 months ago
Reply to  Undecider

How many of their own people or how many people?
The American government has killed more people in other countries than any other.
Given sufficient resistance to the increasing totalitarian democracy that the American government manifests, the time will come when it will have to have a tiananmen square event of its own.

cechas vodobenikov
cechas vodobenikov
9 months ago

at least 30 million have been murdered by amerikan imperialism since WWII—4 million in Korea alone—where the amerikans were humiliated and another 4 million in SE Asia where again the amerikans were defeated by peoples with less advanced weapons—the defeat in all wars regards amerikan insecurity and fear of death, recently mentioned by a
Chinese general…..of the immoral amerikans have never had an anti-war movement—the syncretic Marxian social historian Christopher Lasch described the amerikan protests in the the 1960’s as ” a fear of death movement”—he found that when military conscription ended do did the fear of death movement—yet ametikan genocide in SE Asia continued for 4 more years

cechas vodobenikov
cechas vodobenikov
9 months ago
Reply to  Undecider

u r a racist idiot—amerikans so passive, stupifiefies and submissive u accept the most abuse from supervisors in your workplaces of any people on earth—so submissive and obsequious childish cowardly that you cannot cooperate and strike for better working conditions—in china and Russia there has been more than 1000 work stoppages in the past decade—your police state oligarchy with the greatest wealth/income disparities of all but 3 African nations–2 Latin amerikan nations is populated by primitive sexually repressed under socialized fake people—the most violent and non violent crime per capita and most rapes per capita…despite that your experts claim that fewer than 15% r reported…and of course your FBI rejects violent crime data from your most violent cities since their audits show it is under-reported by half—amerikans are so fearful, anxious, neurotic u r afraid to look at each other, afraid to leave your hovels in the evening—obviously u have never lived in a civilized nation

Canosin
Canosin
9 months ago

it’s that simple…..

“The child who is not embraced by the village will burn it down to feel its warmth.”

the riots are the results of more than 200 years of racism…..till now nobody is exactly listening to what is the true cause…..that’s the “Divided Racist States of Zionist America “

NWOD
NWOD
9 months ago
Reply to  Canosin

Riots are the result of endemic problems in the black community. By the time blacks reach the job market they are unprepared.

There are 3 factors that “make the man” – genetics, family, and education.

Genetics is what it is.

Family – the Liberals have utterly destroyed the black family. 80% of black children are born to single moms, who often have to work. They have no father. They lack discipline. The destruction of the family is the result of the Liberal policy of paying black mothers to abandon “baby’s daddy”.

Education – the schools also do not provide discipline, or an education. The schools are all run by Liberals. But there is another form of education – the mass media. And what does the Liberal media show black kids? Violence, gangs, guns.

All this is no accident. Destruction of the family – along with the destruction of Religion, Nationality and Business – is part of the Liberal agenda dating back to the Communist Manifesto and before.

No, it’s not really racism that is the problem, it’s Liberalism and its emphatic efforts to destroy all of the institutions of society that made us civilized.

Canosin
Canosin
9 months ago
Reply to  NWOD

I do not disagree with your comment……in fact, you do confirm all of my statement if you read my last sentences…..the liberal fake news media, TV, Hollywood, the fake illusory american dream, the so called war on drugs, the poor educational system etc etc…..who are those responsible for all the mess created in the last 50-60 years? who are the owners of all the manipulations through the liberals (demonicrats etc.)?? who are those pulling the strings and keeping it this way so long?? who are the masters of the Divided States of Zionist America??? you may do some guesswork (spoiler alert: it’s extremely difficult, it requires at least an IQ higher than a bucket full of stones)

LS
LS
9 months ago
Reply to  Canosin

The riots are the result of decades of leftist/Jewish political activity aimed at genociding white people.

Canosin
Canosin
9 months ago
Reply to  LS

I do not disagree……you see…..I left it open…..racism is mutually. ..white vs blacks…..blacks vs. hispanics….hispanics vs asians….black vs whites…….etc etc etc….and above all of them, of course, the root cause of the troubles is the jewish infiltration in all political, societal and monetary institutions……see the abortion issues, the sexual disorientation with the LGBTQ community, the wrongful feminism, the pornofication of society……the wars…. etc etc etc.
this is why I wrote:
the
“Divided Racist States of Zionist America “

Mychal Arnold
Mychal Arnold
9 months ago
Reply to  Canosin

Scary is it not how influential the jews are in the ussa. Sad, really they are a child like tribe and selfish and do to these traits have created a evil, corrupt selfish american society and many others around the world!

LS
LS
9 months ago

Well, if they let liberals corrupt their culture they will have all of the same problems the US does now.

disqus_3BrONUAJno
disqus_3BrONUAJno
9 months ago
Reply to  LS

Communism is as liberal as it gets.

Harold Smith
Harold Smith
9 months ago

Chinese communism and jewish-inspired U.S. communism are two different things.

disqus_3BrONUAJno
disqus_3BrONUAJno
9 months ago
Reply to  Harold Smith

Marx and Engels didn’t write two different books.
Communism is communism.

Harold Smith
Harold Smith
9 months ago

Thomas Jefferson’s America and Donald Trump’s America are both supposed to be a democratic republic based on the U.S. constitution, but Jefferson wouldn’t recognize the monstrosity we have today, right?

disqus_3BrONUAJno
disqus_3BrONUAJno
9 months ago
Reply to  Harold Smith

There is no such thing as a democratic republic.
You obviously haven’t read much of what Jefferson or any of the other founders wrote, or you wouldn’t attribute any support of any kind of a democracy to any of them.
Thomas Jefferson knew we would arrive where we are when he wrote that “(t)he spirit of the times may alter, will alter. Our rulers will become corrupt, our people careless. A single zealot may become persecutor, and better men be his victims. It can never be too often repeated that the time for fixing every essential right, on a legal basis, is while our rulers are honest, ourselves united. From the conclusion of this war we shall be going down hill. It will not then be necessary to resort every moment to the people for support. They will be forgotten, therefore, and their rights disregarded. They will forget themselves in the sole faculty of making money, and will never think of uniting to effect a due respect for their rights. The shackles, therefore, which shall not be knocked off at the conclusion of this war, will be heavier and heavier, till our rights shall revive or expire in a convulsion.”

Harold Smith
Harold Smith
1 year ago

“There is no such thing as a democratic republic.”

Pedantry. Of course there is a “democratic republic”; it’s just another way of saying a republic with democratic features. You’re just being contrary; you know what I meant.

My point was that despite the fact that U.S. constitution hasn’t changed very much, the U.S. government has become a monstrosity that the Founders and Framers would not recognize as their creation.

BTW the “democratic” features of the republic are essential to the degeneration of the U.S. into despotism. As Ben Franklin put it, it “can only end in Despotism as other Forms have done before it, when *the People* shall become so corrupted as to need Despotic Government, being incapable of any other.”

disqus_3BrONUAJno
disqus_3BrONUAJno
1 year ago
Reply to  Harold Smith

Democratic features are what China has.

Rowdy-Yates
Rowdy-Yates
9 months ago

The difference between the Chinese police force and the US police force is that the US police force is the first defense for the richest group of people that includes the largest number of billionaires who made their fortunes by theft and corruption. America’s police are armed to protect the richest gangsters in the world.

disqus_3BrONUAJno
disqus_3BrONUAJno
9 months ago

The author has a pretty naive conception of due process in either country.

Padre
Padre
9 months ago

I didn’t notice, he was talking about due process!

disqus_3BrONUAJno
disqus_3BrONUAJno
9 months ago
Reply to  Padre

That is a good indication that you share the conception.

Temporary Security
Temporary Security
9 months ago

There are two sides to the violence issue. How many citizens are armed and attacking cops in China?

The need for guns and defense does rely on how violent the people being arrested are. The second amendment is necessary to keep our government from going fully insane but it does ratchet up the violence. Like all things we focus on the symptom rather than than the root cause which is too many laws.

Eye of Socrates
Eye of Socrates
9 months ago

Police in China are peace officers. It’s their military who carry guns. Seen it first hand.

cechas vodobenikov
cechas vodobenikov
9 months ago

in 2016 US police murdered more civilians than UK police did in the past 100 years—they reflect the amerikan love of violence, reflected by their love of violent sports, their bullying—amerikans love to pick on weaker people—no other society possesses the concept of “the sissy”—but of course they will not try this with someone they perceive to have equal or greater physical strength…the US has more violent and non violent crime and rapes per capita than any other nation–these sexually frustrated under socialized insecure primitives always resort to violence to worsen their problems—“amerikans are farcical when it comes to money and force majeure, the 2 things they worship. my country has created 1 art form–the TV advertisement. You should not expect a democracy from a society like this”. Gore Vidal

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